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		<title>By: Alethea</title>
		<link>http://lucywatchthesky.com/2010/02/01/progress-an-observation-about-progressions/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Alethea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hitchhiker72,

LOL - My Cancer Venus (and Mercury!) are what lead me to speak up as well.  I thought about how I would feel if this troll were doing it to me and watching him violate someone else right in front of me was more than I could stomach. The fact that I put it in a semi-palatable format and the imbicile STILL couldn&#039;t acknowledge that his behavior was inappropriate and invasive speaks to HIS ignorance of his own issues.  &quot;Physician, heal thyself.&quot;  Satisfying one&#039;s own curiosity at the expense of someone else&#039;s sense of security is just plain WRONG.  I shudder when I think about people like this practicing astrology....&quot;Ick&quot; is right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hitchhiker72,</p>
<p>LOL &#8211; My Cancer Venus (and Mercury!) are what lead me to speak up as well.  I thought about how I would feel if this troll were doing it to me and watching him violate someone else right in front of me was more than I could stomach. The fact that I put it in a semi-palatable format and the imbicile STILL couldn&#8217;t acknowledge that his behavior was inappropriate and invasive speaks to HIS ignorance of his own issues.  &#8220;Physician, heal thyself.&#8221;  Satisfying one&#8217;s own curiosity at the expense of someone else&#8217;s sense of security is just plain WRONG.  I shudder when I think about people like this practicing astrology&#8230;.&#8221;Ick&#8221; is right!</p>
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		<title>By: lucywatchthesky</title>
		<link>http://lucywatchthesky.com/2010/02/01/progress-an-observation-about-progressions/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>lucywatchthesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you do happen back here, James, just know that you&#039;re banned from commenting. The fact that your &quot;apology&quot; included calling me paranoid and trying to take any validity away from what I post by referring to it as &quot;public therapy&quot; totally shows me that more than just being a patronizing dickbag, you still have no idea what I mean about boundaries. 

And &quot;I can&#039;t say no when I hear SUFFERING in someone&#039;s words&quot;? Yeah, that IS a problem of yours. Someone&#039;s SUFFERING (emphasis not mine), however public they make it, is not an invitation, not on the Internet, not in the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do happen back here, James, just know that you&#8217;re banned from commenting. The fact that your &#8220;apology&#8221; included calling me paranoid and trying to take any validity away from what I post by referring to it as &#8220;public therapy&#8221; totally shows me that more than just being a patronizing dickbag, you still have no idea what I mean about boundaries. </p>
<p>And &#8220;I can&#8217;t say no when I hear SUFFERING in someone&#8217;s words&#8221;? Yeah, that IS a problem of yours. Someone&#8217;s SUFFERING (emphasis not mine), however public they make it, is not an invitation, not on the Internet, not in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: hitchhiker72</title>
		<link>http://lucywatchthesky.com/2010/02/01/progress-an-observation-about-progressions/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>hitchhiker72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Cancer Venus is going to offer Lucy some support here. I felt violated reading James&#039; request on Lucy&#039;s behalf.

James, your intentions are evident when you say: &#039;As I mentioned, having the chart lets me fill out “details” from the things that you post. It makes it much more interesting for me.&#039; Writers don&#039;t have any obligation to make anything interesting for you or any reader. You clearly get some kind of buzz from Lucy&#039;s revelations, and had not once considered her position. As a result all the praise for her writing sounds like a bribe to get her to reveal more, and totally insincere. If my own internal response is &#039;ick&#039;. I can imagine Lucy&#039;s is much more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Cancer Venus is going to offer Lucy some support here. I felt violated reading James&#8217; request on Lucy&#8217;s behalf.</p>
<p>James, your intentions are evident when you say: &#8216;As I mentioned, having the chart lets me fill out “details” from the things that you post. It makes it much more interesting for me.&#8217; Writers don&#8217;t have any obligation to make anything interesting for you or any reader. You clearly get some kind of buzz from Lucy&#8217;s revelations, and had not once considered her position. As a result all the praise for her writing sounds like a bribe to get her to reveal more, and totally insincere. If my own internal response is &#8216;ick&#8217;. I can imagine Lucy&#8217;s is much more so.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://lucywatchthesky.com/2010/02/01/progress-an-observation-about-progressions/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucy,

Please...I can see this isn&#039;t constructive.  My previous post, an obvious reaction to having my actually innocent intentions called into question.

I DON&#039;T WANT to cause problems for ANYONE.  I do as much free work, just to help people, as I do pay work and that is by choice.  I can&#039;t say no when I hear SUFFERING in someone&#039;s words.  Perhaps that IS a problem of mine.

Again, disregard the last pithy letter, forget about me, I *AM* GONE and I do truthfully hope that everything goes continuously better for you in the future.

I was a bad dream.  Now you are awake.

[snaps fingers]

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy,</p>
<p>Please&#8230;I can see this isn&#8217;t constructive.  My previous post, an obvious reaction to having my actually innocent intentions called into question.</p>
<p>I DON&#8217;T WANT to cause problems for ANYONE.  I do as much free work, just to help people, as I do pay work and that is by choice.  I can&#8217;t say no when I hear SUFFERING in someone&#8217;s words.  Perhaps that IS a problem of mine.</p>
<p>Again, disregard the last pithy letter, forget about me, I *AM* GONE and I do truthfully hope that everything goes continuously better for you in the future.</p>
<p>I was a bad dream.  Now you are awake.</p>
<p>[snaps fingers]</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://lucywatchthesky.com/2010/02/01/progress-an-observation-about-progressions/#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Lucy, Alethea,

I can see that apparently I have rankled a few folks.  Certainly not my intention.

When someone creates a blog, invites the general public, talks about very personal issues with Astrology at the base, it is a normal conclusion that the person must be comfortable talking about these things.  (Wooohooo, possible learning/refinement  opportunity!!!)

I must admit that I am surprised by the reaction, but don&#039;t worry, I won&#039;t &quot;intrude&quot; further.

In this circumstance I think of an old Get Smart episode.  (please follow along)  Max is feeling depressed and they send him to a psychologist.  The psychologist gives Max a Rorshack test (inkblots for those who don&#039;t know or too lazy to Google ;) (I am sure that Lucy knows what they are)  With each picture, Max sees various &quot;romantic&quot; themes, couples kissing, etc.  Max says this for EVERY inkblot.  After several of these, the psychologist says it&#039;s apparent that Max has an obsession.  Max says, &quot;hey, you&#039;re the one with the dirty pictures.&quot;

So, here we are.

The dark imaginings of my being some internet astrology troll and of (OMG) breached boundaries are not mine.

These are someone else&#039;s paranoia at work.

As for the (usually well-taken) comment about blood-sugar, you are right it wasn&#039;t solicited.  Still, try as I might, I can&#039;t see the PURE EVIL in it.

I guess that says something about me.  I truly would rather see something that is truly dark and try to see the light in it, than the converse.

Good luck for the future!  I am very sorry that I came racing in here and made a pratfall out of your very public therapy.

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Lucy, Alethea,</p>
<p>I can see that apparently I have rankled a few folks.  Certainly not my intention.</p>
<p>When someone creates a blog, invites the general public, talks about very personal issues with Astrology at the base, it is a normal conclusion that the person must be comfortable talking about these things.  (Wooohooo, possible learning/refinement  opportunity!!!)</p>
<p>I must admit that I am surprised by the reaction, but don&#8217;t worry, I won&#8217;t &#8220;intrude&#8221; further.</p>
<p>In this circumstance I think of an old Get Smart episode.  (please follow along)  Max is feeling depressed and they send him to a psychologist.  The psychologist gives Max a Rorshack test (inkblots for those who don&#8217;t know or too lazy to Google <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  (I am sure that Lucy knows what they are)  With each picture, Max sees various &#8220;romantic&#8221; themes, couples kissing, etc.  Max says this for EVERY inkblot.  After several of these, the psychologist says it&#8217;s apparent that Max has an obsession.  Max says, &#8220;hey, you&#8217;re the one with the dirty pictures.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, here we are.</p>
<p>The dark imaginings of my being some internet astrology troll and of (OMG) breached boundaries are not mine.</p>
<p>These are someone else&#8217;s paranoia at work.</p>
<p>As for the (usually well-taken) comment about blood-sugar, you are right it wasn&#8217;t solicited.  Still, try as I might, I can&#8217;t see the PURE EVIL in it.</p>
<p>I guess that says something about me.  I truly would rather see something that is truly dark and try to see the light in it, than the converse.</p>
<p>Good luck for the future!  I am very sorry that I came racing in here and made a pratfall out of your very public therapy.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: lucywatchthesky</title>
		<link>http://lucywatchthesky.com/2010/02/01/progress-an-observation-about-progressions/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>lucywatchthesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 06:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, Alethea said it better than I did, but I&#039;m going to reiterate one more time: 

I don&#039;t understand why you need to &quot;fill out details from the things [I] post.&quot; I don&#039;t know you from Adam, dude. I didn&#039;t ask you for your advice on anything- not on my chart, not on my blood sugar, NOTHING. Not only is it invasive, but it&#039;s incredibly obnoxious and presumptuous. It&#039;s almost like you don&#039;t believe that I actually might know what I&#039;m talking about, so you feel the need to rectify my chart and explain it back to me. I can understand wanting to dialogue about astrology, but in that case, couldn&#039;t you just ask me straight up if you had a question about something I said? Lots of people who read my blog ask me questions about my chart and I&#039;ll happily answer them if they come out of a desire to actually know something more. THAT is a dialogue- not running your own chart and trying to guess my birth time and my birth place and doing dozens of Google searches for &quot;lucy astrology chart,&quot; &quot;lucy chart,&quot; &quot;lucy natal chart&quot; (which yes, I know you did, because they show up on my stats page), and further still, doing this all aloud on a public forum. The only reason I can think of as to why someone who claims to be professional would do what you did is if they felt threatened by something they read- your use of the word &quot;militant&quot; to describe my style (i.e. having opinions and speaking candidly) is pretty revealing. 

That&#039;s all I&#039;m going to say on the subject. You need to take a huge step back and understand that even though we&#039;re on the Internet, and even though I&#039;m volunteering certain information, I still have boundaries and they need to be respected. If you continue to argue with me about this publicly, I will block you from commenting. I&#039;ve done it before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, Alethea said it better than I did, but I&#8217;m going to reiterate one more time: </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you need to &#8220;fill out details from the things [I] post.&#8221; I don&#8217;t know you from Adam, dude. I didn&#8217;t ask you for your advice on anything- not on my chart, not on my blood sugar, NOTHING. Not only is it invasive, but it&#8217;s incredibly obnoxious and presumptuous. It&#8217;s almost like you don&#8217;t believe that I actually might know what I&#8217;m talking about, so you feel the need to rectify my chart and explain it back to me. I can understand wanting to dialogue about astrology, but in that case, couldn&#8217;t you just ask me straight up if you had a question about something I said? Lots of people who read my blog ask me questions about my chart and I&#8217;ll happily answer them if they come out of a desire to actually know something more. THAT is a dialogue- not running your own chart and trying to guess my birth time and my birth place and doing dozens of Google searches for &#8220;lucy astrology chart,&#8221; &#8220;lucy chart,&#8221; &#8220;lucy natal chart&#8221; (which yes, I know you did, because they show up on my stats page), and further still, doing this all aloud on a public forum. The only reason I can think of as to why someone who claims to be professional would do what you did is if they felt threatened by something they read- your use of the word &#8220;militant&#8221; to describe my style (i.e. having opinions and speaking candidly) is pretty revealing. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m going to say on the subject. You need to take a huge step back and understand that even though we&#8217;re on the Internet, and even though I&#8217;m volunteering certain information, I still have boundaries and they need to be respected. If you continue to argue with me about this publicly, I will block you from commenting. I&#8217;ve done it before.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://lucywatchthesky.com/2010/02/01/progress-an-observation-about-progressions/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comments.   :)

As I mentioned, having the chart lets me fill out &quot;details&quot; from the things that you post.  It makes it much more interesting for me.

The diabetes comment is a discovery of Noel Tyl&#039;s.  Hard aspects between Venus and Jupiter (you have a tight semisquare) have been corroborated often for family history of diabetes.  It&#039;s not always reliable, but very often IS...and since we&#039;re playing with percentages here.  Assuming it were my chart, and adding that Venus is angular, I would regularly make sure that all blood-sugar related issues are as they should be.

Again, good writing...always interesting.  A little bit militant at times, but I see that as a good thing, putting one&#039;s mouth forcefully where their heart is.

Keep up the good work.

Re: Internet Astrology Trolls

Have run across at least one major pest myself.  You can sleep easy, I&#039;m not running background searches, triangulating from your cell phone pings or anything crazy.  Just an astrologer who likes to read/talk about astrology and likes it better with a chart in front of me.  People continuously SPEAK their chart.

Peace

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comments.   <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As I mentioned, having the chart lets me fill out &#8220;details&#8221; from the things that you post.  It makes it much more interesting for me.</p>
<p>The diabetes comment is a discovery of Noel Tyl&#8217;s.  Hard aspects between Venus and Jupiter (you have a tight semisquare) have been corroborated often for family history of diabetes.  It&#8217;s not always reliable, but very often IS&#8230;and since we&#8217;re playing with percentages here.  Assuming it were my chart, and adding that Venus is angular, I would regularly make sure that all blood-sugar related issues are as they should be.</p>
<p>Again, good writing&#8230;always interesting.  A little bit militant at times, but I see that as a good thing, putting one&#8217;s mouth forcefully where their heart is.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Re: Internet Astrology Trolls</p>
<p>Have run across at least one major pest myself.  You can sleep easy, I&#8217;m not running background searches, triangulating from your cell phone pings or anything crazy.  Just an astrologer who likes to read/talk about astrology and likes it better with a chart in front of me.  People continuously SPEAK their chart.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Alethea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alethea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James (AKA Sherlock),

I read your comments and felt I had a comment of my own for you to consider.  Lucy&#039;s a great writer and a knowledgeable astrolger - that&#039;s why we all love her, but digging into the particulars of what you think is her chart and posting your &quot;best guess&quot; for all to see is both a boundary breach and a major breach of ethics. I totally get that you&#039;re curious and probably feel you have some helpful information to offer, but please think about the way in which you went about it.  Some people are just not comfortable with the idea of posting their charts because it makes them feel vulnerable and exposed, and the lack of consideration for this fact you demonstrated in your comments makes me question your professionalism.  At the very least, an astrolger with over 20 years of experience such as yourself should know better than to post this &quot;information&quot; publicly - especially because your expertise wasn&#039;t solicited in any way and your &quot;detective work&quot; is inaccurate to boot.  It&#039;s cool that you like her style and admire her work, but your thirst for knowledge about her actually made you come off as kind of creepy.  This is exactly why some of us aren&#039;t confortable posting our charts up for all to see.  I&#039;m sorry to give you a dressing down, but this was such a major no-no in my eyes that I couldn&#039;t let it slide without making a comment of my own.  I hope you respectfully back off and re-think how you went about this if your only intent was to be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James (AKA Sherlock),</p>
<p>I read your comments and felt I had a comment of my own for you to consider.  Lucy&#8217;s a great writer and a knowledgeable astrolger &#8211; that&#8217;s why we all love her, but digging into the particulars of what you think is her chart and posting your &#8220;best guess&#8221; for all to see is both a boundary breach and a major breach of ethics. I totally get that you&#8217;re curious and probably feel you have some helpful information to offer, but please think about the way in which you went about it.  Some people are just not comfortable with the idea of posting their charts because it makes them feel vulnerable and exposed, and the lack of consideration for this fact you demonstrated in your comments makes me question your professionalism.  At the very least, an astrolger with over 20 years of experience such as yourself should know better than to post this &#8220;information&#8221; publicly &#8211; especially because your expertise wasn&#8217;t solicited in any way and your &#8220;detective work&#8221; is inaccurate to boot.  It&#8217;s cool that you like her style and admire her work, but your thirst for knowledge about her actually made you come off as kind of creepy.  This is exactly why some of us aren&#8217;t confortable posting our charts up for all to see.  I&#8217;m sorry to give you a dressing down, but this was such a major no-no in my eyes that I couldn&#8217;t let it slide without making a comment of my own.  I hope you respectfully back off and re-think how you went about this if your only intent was to be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://lucywatchthesky.com/2010/02/01/progress-an-observation-about-progressions/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soylent Green is people!  Ha.  Yep, yep.

Missed you!  

&quot;...even while I was actively making and enjoying art, something about doing it as a career didn’t sit right with me.&quot;

That about sums up why I didn&#039;t choose to become an artist or go to art school.  Artistic talent was/is something from within, and I&#039;ve always felt that whatever I needed to learn I could teach myself or find a less expensive way.  Overall, I really didn&#039;t want to spend the rest of my life painting and collaging because there is just so much more to do in the world and dedicating myself to one thing felt crime-ish.

Thanks to you, I&#039;ve had a look-see at my progressed chart.  I&#039;ve Venus on my Sagi ascendant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soylent Green is people!  Ha.  Yep, yep.</p>
<p>Missed you!  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;even while I was actively making and enjoying art, something about doing it as a career didn’t sit right with me.&#8221;</p>
<p>That about sums up why I didn&#8217;t choose to become an artist or go to art school.  Artistic talent was/is something from within, and I&#8217;ve always felt that whatever I needed to learn I could teach myself or find a less expensive way.  Overall, I really didn&#8217;t want to spend the rest of my life painting and collaging because there is just so much more to do in the world and dedicating myself to one thing felt crime-ish.</p>
<p>Thanks to you, I&#8217;ve had a look-see at my progressed chart.  I&#8217;ve Venus on my Sagi ascendant!</p>
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		<title>By: hitchhiker72</title>
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		<dc:creator>hitchhiker72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lucy, welcome back! Your article made me go look at my progressed chart, and my progressed Venus is very close to my descendant now. Interesting because my natal Venus (retrograded) is in the 7th and I&#039;ve pretty much ignored it for most of my life, and it feels like the prog Venus is opening the way for a reconciliation... My progressed Moon is in the 7th too. 

Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lucy, welcome back! Your article made me go look at my progressed chart, and my progressed Venus is very close to my descendant now. Interesting because my natal Venus (retrograded) is in the 7th and I&#8217;ve pretty much ignored it for most of my life, and it feels like the prog Venus is opening the way for a reconciliation&#8230; My progressed Moon is in the 7th too. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing.</p>
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